Wednesday, March 6, 2024

Question to the Conservative Party Chairman! What was his reply?

 Putting a question to Richard Holden MP, Conservative Party Chairman, on 22 February 2024, at the excellent Chesham and Amersham Association dinner The question was: Under the Conservative Party Constitution it states that "The Leader shall determine the political direction of the Party having regard to the views of Party members and the Conservative Policy Forum" Now that there are no longer motions for debate at the Party Conference how does the Leader get the views of the ordinary Party Members? Needless to say I did not get an answer, although the Party Chairman said "What a great question!" and then proceeded to talk only about the Conservative Policy Forum! What about the ordinary Party Members?



Wednesday, December 27, 2023

Letter to the Prime Minister Conservative Party Objects and Values

 

Campaign for Conservative Democracy

C. O. P. O. V - CONSERVATIVE ONE PERSON ONE VOTE

 

  The Rt. Hon. Rishi Sunak M.P,                                 21st  December 2023

10 Downing Street,

Westminster,

London SW1A 2AA

  

Dear Prime Minister,  

 

Conservative Objects and Values

The Conservative Party Constitution emphasizes the  objects and values of the Party:

 

“PART 1

NAME, PURPOSE OBJECTS AND VALUES

This is the Constitution of a political party which shall be known as “The Conservative and Unionist Party” (referred to in this Constitution as “the Party”).  .

 1          Its purpose is to sustain and promote within the Nation the objects and values of the

Conservative Party. 

 PART II

MEMBERSHIP

The Party is a political Party for the Nation, open to all who share its objects and values and who undertake to be bound by this Constitution.”

 

 

Nowhere within the Constitution does it state what the objects and values are!

Many loyal members of our Conservative Party, and perhaps more importantly, the General Public are no longer clear exactly in what the Conservative Party believes.  We feel it is imperative that our Party’s objects and values are clearly outlined so that it will help the Conservative Party win the next General Election.

 It has become apparent during 2023 that many Conservative voters are staying at home and not voting. We believe that a reminder of Conservative objects and values will give our supporters good reason to turn out and vote for Conservative candidates.

 The attached document has been developed with that in mind. The statement is concise and expounds what we believe is the central core of the Conservative Party  It has been seen and endorsed by the Campaign for Conservative Democracy, and we hope that you will approve it and incorporate it within the Party’s Constitution.  A copy is also being sent to Richard Holden MP as Chairman of the Conservative Party,  John Penrose MP as Chairman of the CPF,  Peter Booth, Chairman of the National Convention and Sir Graham Brady, Chairman of the 1922 Committee  

 We want the Conservative Party to win the next General Election.   We want the Party’s message to be clear and concise and hope you will agree this document will clarify both for Party members and the general public what are the Party’s objects and values.

 Yours sincerely,

 JOHN E STRAFFORD

Chairman of the Campaign for Conservative Democracy

 

c.c. Richard Holden Esq MP;  John Penrose Esq MP;  Peter Booth Esq, and Sir Graham Brady MP









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Tuesday, December 12, 2023

Choosing your parliamentary Candidate - Due Dilligence

 A meeting at UCL with the Conservative Party and the Labour Party discussing due dilligence amongst other matters. Do not miss Questions and Answers!

Tuesday, November 14, 2023

Questions and Answers session on the Selection of Conservative Party Candidates

 View this session on the questions and answers at the Conservative Party Conference fringe meeting held on 3rd October and organised by the Campaign for Conservative Democracy and the Conservative Democratic Organisation.

View here!

Monday, November 6, 2023

What the process should be for the Selection of Conservative Party Parliamentary Candidates

A speech given by John Strafford at a fringe meeting of the Conservative Party Conference held on October 3rd 2023 organised by the Campaign for Conservative Democracy and the Conservative Democratic Organisation setting out the process agreed at the Conservative Democratic Organisation Conference in May 2023. To watch click here!

Monday, October 30, 2023

A "History of the Selection of Conservative Party Candidates"

 Speech given by John Strafford at a fringe meeting at the Tory Party Conference on 3 October 2023 organised by the Campaign for Conservative Democracy and the Conservative Democratic Organisation.

See here to view

Monday, September 25, 2023

Conservative Party Conference Dates for your diary - updated

 CONFERENCE FRINGE PROGRAMME ANNOUNCED!!! 

The meetings will be held at Friends Meeting House, 6 Mount Street, Manchester, M2 5NS

MESSAGE FROM CDO PARTY CHAIRMAN, David Campbell Bannerman

 Dear CDO Members,

 RE: CDO FRINGE PROGRAMME NOW ANNOUNCED!

I am delighted to let you know that as well as the excellent Black Tie Gala Dinner coming together so well for Sunday 1st October (don’t be disappointed – please book now as selling out fast!) we can now announce an impressive Fringe.

CDO is offering a full Conference Fringe Programme, and we can now reveal the details. All these events are hosted in what we are calling the ‘Democracy Zone’, which we are sponsoring, in cooperation with the Bruges Group.

This is our Fringe:

Monday 2nd October 6pm to 7.30pm – we are honoured to be hosting one of our CDO Patrons, and now a TV star presenter through GB News and the ‘State of the Nation’ Programme, Jacob Rees Mogg MP to talk about the importance of democracy to the Conservative Party. This will be at 6pm-7.30pm Monday, with questions afterwards. Jacob as you know is a highly principled and intelligent MP who served as Business Secretary and was Chairman of the ERG (European Research Group) at a key moment. Chaired by David Campbell Bannerman.

Tuesday 3rd October 11am to 12.30pm – ‘Selection of Candidates – All You Need to Know’ – Joint session with COPOV (Campaign for One Member One Vote). A Question and Answer briefing session useful for those standing as candidates or those involved or interested in selecting candidates, especially Parliamentary candidates. Hosted by Constitutional Expert John Strafford, Chairman of COPOV and CDO’s Constitutional Adviser, and CDO’s Mike Rouse, who has overseen a number of candidate selections and is an expert on the rules of Candidate Selection. 

Tuesday 3rd October 1pm to 2.30pm – ‘How Democracy can save Conservatism’. Panel session with top journalists Allison Pearson a senior columnist at the Daily Telegraph, Author and Presenter, Emily Carver, Presenter with GB News and formerly of IEA, and our CDO Patron Priti Patel MP, former Home Secretary, International Development Secretary, Employment and Treasury Minister and a great believer in backing the members. Chaired by David Campbell Bannerman.

NOTE: These fringe meetings are all outside the Party Conference area, so that means you do not need a Conference security pass to get there. Which may save you quite a bit of cost; especially at this late stage. You can just turn up and support us there. If you do have a pass, the venue is very close to the Conference Centre so it is easy to pop in and out of Conference to attend.

Please do support CDO at these four major events at Conference – it is important to show backing for our aims and objectives to take back control of the party democratically and to support our excellent Patrons, supporters and members. I look forward to seeing you there!

Best wishes

 David

 David Campbell Bannerman


Monday, August 21, 2023

Monday, August 14, 2023

Letter from the Party Chairman to CDO!

 Here is the latest news from CDO including a letter from Greg Hands, Conservative Party Chairman, also save the date October 1st for our next Gala Dinner.

Monday, August 7, 2023

Monday, July 31, 2023

Speech by John Strafford about the Conservative Democratic Organisation

 Speech made by John Strafford on July 8th to the Taplow Branch of the Beaconsfield Constituency Conservative Association about the Conservative Democratic Organisation.   Watch Here!

Tuesday, July 18, 2023

Priti Patel MP speaks for real Conservatives!

 Priti Patel MP made a great speech at the Conservative Democratic Conference on May 13th at the Bournemouth International Conference centre.   Here is an extract from the speech.

Thursday, July 13, 2023

The CDO Award to John Strafford

 

Watch a full account of the Conservative Democratic Organisation Cleithenes Award to John Strafford on May 13th 2023 at the Bournemouth International Convention Centre.

Monday, June 19, 2023

Update on the Conservative Democratic Organisation

 Update on CDO

Dear John


This is a brief update on the ‘Next Steps’ for CDO after our highly successful Conference in sunny Bournemouth on 13th May. 

Can I thank all of you most warmly again for your contribution to that remarkable official launch of CDO; which was carried on national TV and radio and was ‘national news’. Thank you to the speakers, the organisers – most notably Claire Bullivant, our CEO, and team, and all those attending. We had attendees from all over the UK, many of who made huge and often difficult journeys to attend as a result of shameful train strikes nationwide. Our numbers were very impressive particularly given hundreds were unable to attend thanks to the lack of trains.   

Post Conference, CDO Officers and the Regional teams have been considering ‘Next Steps’ and we are actively implementing these now. We have needed to wait until the result of the Privileges Committee report to understand what implications there are for CDO from the point of view of democratic processes – and we have had grave reservations with the conduct and behaviour of that committee which has earned it the name of an undemocratic ‘kangaroo court’ and what it could do to shut down free expression of all ministers, MPs and advisers as a result – and for the subject of the inquiry, that of former Prime Minister Boris Johnson. We will update you on how CDO may offer support to Boris in later communications.  

On the ‘next steps’ measures, these are what we are now working on: 

Next Steps

  1. As a direct result of those members attending CDO Conference, we have agreed a ‘7 Step’ approach to reforming the Conservative Party’s Constitution. This was voted on, Step by Step, with John Strafford convening the session. Lord Cruddas was particularly delighted by the engagement of the members, the quality of interventions and questioning, and how refreshing it was to return to voting at a Conservative Conference! We owe Peter a great deal of thanks for his support. I confirm that CDO has now written to Party Chairman Greg Hands MP formally requesting that the CDO’s 7 Steps are incorporated into their constitutional reform process, which we understand has been announced through the National Convention. We are now sending on that letter to the Chairman to all Tory MPs and to Conservative association Chairmen. Work is still progressing to finalise a ‘full’ new Constitution, which will actually incorporate Conservative values and beliefs – a remarkable hole in the current Constitution. This is still the work of the Constitutional Working Group.    

  2. Again, as a follow through from what was agreed at CDO Conference, we will be establishing working groups on Policies and Polling – where we use polling of Conservative members, such as through Conservative Post and of 2019 Conservative voters through polling organisations – to ascertain Conservative members’ and Conservative voters’ preferences for policies, which can be fed into a future Conservative Party manifesto.  

    We are also establishing a working group on Candidates and Candidate Support, having debated the candidate process, good and bad, at Conference and reinforcing the principle that local associations should select candidates not Central Office, whose role is important but should focus on removing the bad, the mad and the sad as candidates. We will monitor candidate selections, not just for Westminster MPs, but others such as the London Mayoral selection, and help candidates where we can with advice and support including on the ground.  


    Any information you have on candidates and selections please send an email FAO the Chairman of the Candidate Working Group, Mike Rouse to Democracy@Conservativedems.co.uk

  3. We will continue, as always, to seek to build the CDO Network across the UK. We have a great structure of Regional and Deputy Regional Chairmen/women established but we are looking now for Area and local association CDO Chairmen to argue for the CDO reforms at the local level, to help manage events and speakers, and to liaise with the local Conservative Party associations.  

    Please contact your local Regional or Deputy Director for your region to volunteer and expand CDO for all of us. A full list of CDO Regional Chairmen and Deputies is shown below:  

    South East

    Andrew Buchanan - southeast@conservativedems.co.uk


    East Midlands

    Annunziata Rees-Mogg - eastmids@conservativedems.co.uk


    Thames Valley

    Benedict Swann - thamesv@conservativedems.co.uk


    Northern Ireland

    Frank Shivers - northire@conservativedems.co.uk


    West Midlands

    Martyn Punyer - westmids@conservativedems.co.uk


    Wales

    Matthew MacKinnon - wales@conservativedems.co.uk


    Scotland

    Michelle Ballantyne - scotland@conservativedems.co.uk


    North West England

    Milly Skriczka - northwest@conservativedems.co.uk


    Devon & Cornwall

    Richard Cuming - devoncorn@conservativedems.co.uk


    North East England 

    Joshua Clark

    northeast@conservativedems.co.uk


    Youth CDO

    Kane Blackwell

    ycdo@conservativedems.co.uk


    London

    Lord Stephen Greenhalgh

    london@conservativedems.co.uk


    East of England

    Lord Stewart Jackson

    eastengland@conservativedems.co.uk


    West England

    Scott Richardson

    westeng@conservativedems.co.uk


  4. CDO is looking to a major event, or series of events, at the Conservative Party Conference in Manchester and details of these will be circulated. A ‘Democracy Zone’ is a good theme.  

Thank you again for your interest and support. CDO has come a very long way in just 6 months and established a remarkable presence and reputation at the highest levels. Now we intend to go further and faster in our range of activities.  

Thank you.  

 

Best wishes, 

 

David Campbell Bannerman

Chairman


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Wednesday, June 14, 2023

Conservatives, Hope for the Future!

 At the Conservative Democratic Organisation Conference on May 13th 2023 John Strafford moved the motions for debate to make the Conservative Party a democratic organisation.   All were passed by an overwhelming majority.   Here is his winding up speech>

Monday, June 5, 2023

Democracy in Action - Motions for Debate

At the Conservative Democratic Organisation Conference on 13th May 2023 seven critical changes to the Conservative Party Constitution were proposed and passed overwhelmingly.   Time for the Conservative Party to act! 

Wednesday, May 24, 2023

Conservative Democratic Organisation Conference

 Watch this first speech by John Strafford at the CDO Conference in Bournemouth on 13 May 2023.   This is the start of the revival of the Conservative Party and will be welcomed by all those who believe in democracy

Tuesday, May 9, 2023

Tuesday, December 13, 2022

Launch of the Conservative Democratic Organisation - complete article!

  The complete article as published in the Sunday Express Online 11 December 2022

22:00, Sat, Dec 10, 2022, | UPDATED: 10:16, Sun, Dec 11, 2022

The coronation of Sunak as PM ended faith in the Tory MPs - members must take back control

The appointment, or ‘coronation', of Rishi Sunak as British Prime Minister, without a vote being cast by Conservative Party members, and just a month after Sunak was rejected in a comprehensive member voting process has finally ended members' faith in any party democracy existing within the Conservative Party.

By LORD CRUDDAS, AND DAVID CAMPBELL BANNERMAN

As one member aptly put it: “There’s a deficit in party democracy, what they’ve said is we want your money, your time, and resources but we don’t want your opinion. After 40 years, I’m out. I won’t vote and I won’t forgive.”

The members’ vote led to many MPs rigging the voting process so that neither candidate was put to members for a vote – Boris had 102 and Mordaunt 98 – with media reports of threats and incentives to MPs supporting non-Sunak candidates to switch taking place all weekend before the vote.

Some of these MPs are reported even to be crowing over how successfully they blocked party members from having any say.

It is extraordinary to agree with the Daily Mirror when its front page asks: ‘Who Voted For You?’ and the Scottish Daily Record concluding this was the ‘Death of Democracy’.

It is the influence of these MPs that has robbed members of a vote on the Leader – which is hailed in membership literature as a right: saying ‘choosing candidates and vote in leadership elections - you can choose the people you want to represent you.’ This for an unwise hike in membership fees of 55% - to £39.

With the loss of a real say over MP selections, and now the Party Leader, and Party Conferences losing the ability to meet Ministers and influence policy through debates and resolutions, the ‘product offering’ of party membership is fast dying out.  

Membership has fallen from 500,000 when the new 1998 Constitution was introduced to 172,000 members who voted in the 2022 Leadership election.

That figure itself had been boosted when Boris Johnson became Leader and is now falling fast.

The 56 percent rise in the cost of membership announced earlier this week will undoubtedly reduce membership numbers even further.  

Members are overwhelmingly feeling ignored, steamrollered, and held in utter contempt by party leaders – feeling that their views count for nothing; and yet MPs expect them to do most of the work at elections.

This is a natural consequence of the demolition by CCHQ (Conservative Campaign Headquarters) of lines of communication between the members and the Parliamentary Party since that 1998 Party Constitution was enacted by William Hague. All the checks and balances which existed prior to 1998 were abolished.

It is little wonder now that a huge number of resignations have followed – the Telegraph suggesting at least one fifth of members left.

The member cancelling page on the Party’s website crashed. Comment groups are still alive with angry members resigning and attacking the lack of democracy.  

The constitutional expert and party democracy campaigner John Strafford helped draft the 1998 Constitution, but saw the democratic elements subsequently removed. He also wrote the Conservative Women’s Organisation (CWO) constitution.

A dismayed Mr Strafford explains that the situation today is that “the Chairman and Treasurer of the Party are appointed by the Leader so are unaccountable to the membership; there is no Annual General Meeting of members, so there is no formal forum for members to raise questions about the Party’s organisation, and the annual accounts are not tabled for approval at an AGM.”

“Selection of parliamentary candidates is controlled centrally, and the Party Board can take control of any constituency association which does not toe the line – and has done so. Basically, the Conservative Party is now a self-perpetuating oligarchy.”

But the solution is not for party members to create yet another new party, in an increasingly crowded field; especially when in a first-past-the-post system such parties are lucky to reach one per cent or two per cent vote share; and tend to win no seats.  

Instead, loyal Conservative Party members should come together to create – or indeed recreate – a truly democratic Conservative Party.

This is best done by a return to the successful pre-1998 model of a National Union of independent democratic Conservative Associations, to whom a smaller Central Office reports, and the end of the centralising 1998 Party Constitution, which has brought in excessive centralised control and social engineering at the expense of merit and democracy.

It is time for ordinary Conservative Party members to ‘take back control’. That is why we are establishing the Conservative Democratic Organisation (CDO), a new membership organisation to revitalise the current Conservative Party, shape its future values and structure and, crucially, eliminate its serious democratic failings.  

Over the next few months, we will begin the formation of independent CDO Conservative associations across the UK and launch a new Party Constitution to propose to the Conservative Party.

David Campbell Bannerman is the Chairman of The Freedom Association

Our proposals include:  

Directly electing the roles of Conservative Party Chairman, Deputy Chairman, Treasurer, Chairman of the Candidates Committee and Chairman of the Policy Forum.

Giving constituency associations the right to determine who their Conservative parliamentary candidate is with minimum interference by CCHQ. This includes both selecting and deselecting candidates.  

Scrapping the National Convention and replacing it with a General Meeting of the Party. This will stop the Party hierarchy from rubber stamping decisions.

The Spring Conference becoming a Policy Conference, located in a more affordable place, where Ministers would listen to members’ ideas on policies in their subject area, selected by motions submitted through local associations, as used to be standard.

The full October Party Conferences should be restored to their original glory, with the membership back in control, including motions for debates and votes.  

The Conservative Party is the most successful political party in the world. We do not need to replace it with a new centre-right party.

We need to revitalise it and reposition it back where it belongs - representing core conservative values. This is only possible by long overdue, serious, revolutionary reform of the way the Party functions.


Wednesday, September 28, 2022

Invitation to attend Conservative Party Conference Fringe Event

 

 Campaign for Conservative Democracy
invites you to attend:

1) Time for Conservative Party members to take control?

 - Six Essential Reforms.

2) Leadership Election – a Distortion of Democracy?

3) Conservative Philosophy and Values (see over)

- Discuss and debate.

TUESDAY 4th OCTOBER 2022 – 3pm

Lyttleton Lecture Theatre, Birmingham and Midland Institute, 9 Margaret Street, B3 3BS

Speakers: David Campbell-Bannerman Former MEP, John Strafford, and Graham Thomas
Chair: Mike Baker
ConservativesOnePersonOneVote

Friday, August 12, 2022

Does the Conservative Party have any values?

 

Are You a Conservative? Find out now!

 In order to be a member of the Conservative Party you have to agree to share its objects and values (shouldn’t that be objectives and values?).    Throughout the Constitution there is mention of the “Objects and Values”, and yet nowhere is there any definition or explanation of what these Objects and Values are. 

However, under the Code of Conduct for Members and Representatives of the Conservative Party it states:

“Objects and Values” of the Conservative Party

        These are set out in the Party Constitution. (where?).   The test we use to identify an object and value is objective based on relevant evidence.   That evidence may be common or historical knowledge, or common sense, Conservative manifestos past and present, guidance notes from the Party Board, Government policy and speeches from senior Party spokesmen including the Party leader and so on.

Have you ever read such gobbledygook?   So, a speech by a senior Party Spokesman can create a Conservative objective and value?   Objectives and values should reflect the DNA of the Conservative Party.   They should be based on a clear philosophy.   We show below our view of what Conservative Philosophy and Values should be.   As a Party these are what should unite us.

  Extracts from the Constitution of the Conservative Party - Objects and Values

PART I

 NAME, PURPOSE, OBJECTS AND VALUES

Its purpose is to sustain and promote within the Nation the objects and values of the Conservative Party. 

PART II

MEMBERSHIP 

3 The Party is a political Party for the Nation, open to all who share its objects and values and who undertake to be bound by this Constitution. The Party shall consist of its Members. Membership of the Conservative Party is not compatible with Membership of or, association with any other registered political party.  

PART IV

THE BOARD OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY

17.22  The suspension of membership or the expulsion from membership of any member whose conduct is in conflict with the purpose, objects and values of the Party as indicated in Part I Article 2 or which is inconsistent with the objects or financial well-being of an Association or the Party or be likely to bring an Association or the Party into disrepute. 

PART V

THE NATIONAL CONSERVATIVE CONVENTION

24  The functions of the National Conservative Convention shall be to

24.1 support and promote the objects and values of the Party.

                                                    SCHEDULE 7

RULES OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY ASSOCIATIONS COVERING A SINGLE CONSTITUENCY

2 OBJECTS 

The Objects of the Association shall be to sustain and promote the objects and values of the Party in the Parliamentary constituency of ...................... (“the Constituency”); to provide an effective campaigning organisation in the Constituency; to secure the return of Conservative Candidates at elections; and to raise the necessary funds to achieve these objectives; to contribute to the central funds of the Party.

We set out below what we believe the Philosophy (Objectives) and Values of the Conservative Party should be:   Do you Agree?


 



Tuesday, February 8, 2022

Conservative Party John Strafford interview with RTTV 5 February 2022

 I did an interview with RTTV after they gave me an undertaking that it would not be edited and shown in full like a live interview.   Here it is!

Thursday, November 25, 2021

Mulled Wine and Mince Pies Forum December 11th

 Come and join us:

Campaign for Conservative Democracy

Forum

11am - 2pm Saturday, 11th December 2021
(coffee served from 10.30am)

@ All Saints Church Hall, Oval Way, Gerrards Cross, Bucks. SL9 8PZ

AGENDA :  Mulled Wine and Mince Pies Forum

The Conservative Party

       Party Organisation, Constituency News, Reports, Whats App.

 

Party Conference

       Questions to the Chairmen, Fringe meeting, other matters.

 

Selection of Candidates for the General Election

 

Covid 19, What now?

                                       

Immigration

 

Climate Change Conference. Was it worth it?

 

How Democracies Die!

 

The History of Democracy in the United Kingdom - A short lecture on democracy – “The Great Reform Act 1832”.

 

Any Other Business

 

1pm Lunch: A Ploughman’s Lunch will be available free of charge but a donation towards our costs of hall hire and lunch would be much appreciated.

Directions: Go north through Gerrards Cross on Packhorse Rd, passing Ethorpe Hotel.   Take 1st left into Orchehill Avenue, then 2nd right into Oval Way.   All Saints Church is on your left past Thorpe House School.

 

Date of next meeting: TBA

All are welcome and do bring a guest

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Conservative One Person One Vote  

§  Name………………………………......... Constituency………………………………….  Address………………………………....... Tel. No. ………………………………....…..
          ………………………………....... E-mail Address………………………………
          ……………………………….......                       ……………………………..
Post Code ………………………………..

I will/will not* be able to attend the meeting on 11th December 2021 *delete as applicable.   I enclose a donation.   Please complete and return to:

COPOV, 15 North Drive, Beaconsfield, Bucks. HP9 1TZ
Tel. No. 01494 730599   E-mail: johnstrafford@btinternet.com


Thursday, October 21, 2021

Northern Ireland. Forget the Sermons - First read the small print.

 

FORGET THE SERMONS - FIRST READ THE SMALL PRINT

 by

Mike Clitherow

Since before the 2016 referendum and continuing non-stop, those against GB leaving the EU, Including -  Joe Biden and other US Democrats , most EU bureaucrats, several European politicians (particularly the French)  and of course our own Re-joiners  - have been pursuing the following rhetoric:

“You must not go against or interfere with the 1998  Good Friday Agreement 

There must be No Hard Border between Northern Ireland and the  Republic thereby ensuring peace “.

Well, we all agree with that don’t we!

 BUT the question is how many of these people have actually sat down and studied

in detail what is actually in this document?.  Given that within the GFA there is a

total lack of references to trade - I suggest not many have actually read it.

They are simply using this agreement to weaponize and  “beat up” the UK  for daring

to leave the EU. Others particularly Sleepy Joe see it as a route to a united Ireland

 The point is that now We the Little people need to ask “where is the evidence that any part of this peace agreement is threatened by the UK not being part of this inward-looking Trade Block called the EU and us wanting the whole of our country to be recognised and operate as a free independent sovereign state making its own laws and trading internally without interference ? ”

Have these people read and understood the GFA?

Having read the agreement some years ago and again recently – On behalf of the Little people I have some queries for the experts to answer.

  • QUESTION - Where is trade/commercial activity mentioned in this document?

Yes we were part of the EU free trade area at that the time it was signed but between

the North & South there are already two different - currencies - corporation taxes and VAT rates - As well as different fuel, alcohol and tobacco duties none are mentioned in this agreement.

However, we have manged to work these between our two countries for many years

with little problem.

ANSWER - there is no mention of trade and commercial activity in the GFA.

 The Good Friday Agreement – is a fantastic declaration of peace and disarmament

by both the authorities and the terrorist gangs of both persuasions including release

of prisoners plus the future prosperity of N I.  - That’s it!

 Hard Border -  Part of this disarmament and standing down in this agreement is by implication to get rid of any so-called Hard Border  by withdrawing the military and their infrastructure along the divide between the North and South.

It’s gone!!!  never to return we hope.

 This peace agreement is wonderfully worded over 35 pages and here are some of the clauses that jump out.

·         Recognise the legitimacy of whatever choice is freely exercised by a majority of the people of N I with regard to its status, whether they prefer to continue their support of the Union of GB or a sovereign united Ireland.

·         Democratically elected Assembly in N I - to protect the rights and  interests of all sides of the community.

·         The Westminster Parliament (whose power to make legislation for Northern Ireland would remain unaffected)

·         ….the British Government will pursue broad policies for sustained economic growth and stability in N. I.

Yes very selective quotes but for sure very important as they are about freedom/peace and the NI population’s ability to make choices whilst remaining in the UK for the foreseeable future.

OK included in the GFE is reference to working with the EU but only in as much as a British Irish Council to consider the EU dimensions in relevant matters…... No mention of a role for the ECJ.

 Also, two excellent sections on Decommissioning and Security BUT still no reference to cross border trade.

If you haven’t already done so please read the whole thing yourself then try to figure out how will trading between two countries – one in the EU one out - differ to how smoothly it happens in the majority of the world and how it will it cause murder and bloodshed?

 IN CONCLUSION

We of course all know that North to South checks on goods if kept in line with what

happens in most countries internationally would be approx. 2% of all shipments 

this can mostly be done electronically  and the use of trusted exporter schemes,

Any physical checks if needed can be done prior to shipment or on arrival in the

Republic away from the border.

THIS THEN CAN NEVER BE CONSIDERED AS A HARD BORDER

– check out the Switzerland and Norway interface with the EU.

It’s up to the EU (represented by the Republic Ireland) to sort out the mechanisms if they

don’t trust the UK not to send them products and produce that will harm their population and environment. Plus, the South North movement of goods would be very light touch on the British side.

 We hear the cry  BUT BREXIT has changed everything – NO IT HASN’T  - this agreement is and will be respected in full.  

NOW:  Are all people and groups mentioned in paragraph 1 saying such a system would cause the IRA to start bombing and shooting people again?

 ·         My personal view is No as any shipment delays and refusal of entry would be instigated by the Republic for goods going South. Going the other way would be no real problem.

·         If people really believe yes – then why is the future of 1,900,000+ peoples future for economic growth and the ability to have their own elected politicians  represent them (rather than interference from Brussels and the ECJ) is all about pacifying a small terrorist organisation – makes no sense.

·  The real threat is very rowdy demonstrations by Unionists if we do not stop this nonsense of a  border down the North sea and therefore within our own country.

Of course, all above will be called a simplification of the situation

– BUT STOP and STEP BACK  – perhaps a simple thought process works.

 

Feed-back welcomed.

 

Mike Clitherow